Starting Grid 2011 Offroad Conference

Item 140: Miami RC Raceway

Entered by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 16 19:35:34 2010:

[IMAGE] Many years ago, ROAR was looking for a site to host the 1/8 offroad
national championships. A friend of mine, Mickey, was in the process of setting
up the best off-road track he could make (and being a contractor, with lots of
heavy duty machines, he could do a lot!). I put Mickey in touch with Mike
Queller, and the result was a pretty durn good national championship race here
in Miami. The track was named Miami RC Raceway. Fast forward a few years.
Mickey got busy with other things, and the track fell out of use. In fact, I
thought it had closed down. Not so. It turns out that another fellow who worked
at Orange Blossom Hobbies with myself and many people I knew, Baruch Lorio, had
started up his own hobby shop, Extreme Hobbies. Baruch was determined to bring
the off-road track back to life. He started two years ago - he cleaned out
years' worth of junk and neglect, got the lights working again, set up areas
for parking, pitting, etc., and set up a schedule that would fit any racer,
novice or expert. He kept many of the features already built into the track,
such as the elevated pit lane, so mechanics can more easily get to the cars.
The driver's stand is long and wide, with several "milk crates" so even small
people can get up to height. The new track is open on Thursday and Friday
nights, and then on Saturdays. On Thursday and Friday, it's practice time, from
7pm until midnight. Saturdays the track opens at 3pm, and again is open until
midnight. Races are held Saturday, for whatever classes fit the cars that show
up that day. There is even a bleacher area set up for spectators. Baruch has
the right idea about many things. There is plenty of parking near the track.
The lights allow people to avoid the hot summer days in Miami, and run at night
when it's far more comfortable. He has arranged for a group to come each day
and provide food and drinks. There are lots of huge tables for pitting, and
they are to be covered with a tarp unless/until a hurricane threatens. Lastly,
knowing how the economy has hurt so many r/c enthusiasts, Baruch set the entry
fee to only $10 per day, for any day you want to come out. According to the
people I spoke to when I visited the track, 30 to 40 people usually show up,
with whatever cars they happen to own. Some are using very basic beginner's
cars, while there are also some experienced racers who bring competitive gear.
Baruch plans to bring extra cars with him, so newcomers can rent a car and find
out what r/c is all about. Art Carbonell and I got there around 7pm Thursday,
July 15. There were about fifteen people there, with more showing up all the
time. Before the sun went into hiding, I shot most of the following photos, to
try and show what this track looks like. Even with a wide-angle fisheye lens,
it was difficult to get the whole track in. I didn't want to use flash for the
night shots, so I tried out Nikon's high ISO setting of 25,600 which amazingly
allowed me to take action shots in next to no light. I'll post some of the
track photos here. I'll also create a gallery of some of the racer's photos,
and later today I'll post a few HDR photos of the track. Should anyone wish to
visit the track, the address is 20800 SW 117 Avenue if you're on US1, going
South, turn right on SW117 Avenue and the track will be on the left side, where
a "side street" starts to branch off to your left. The phone number to reach
Baruch at Extreme Hobbies is 305-265-8511. Plans are already being considered
to talk to the people hosting the Florida State Series races, and maybe get
Miami included in the near future. [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE]
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68 responses total.

#1 of 68 by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 16 20:01:31 2010:

The following is a slide show of some of the people at the track, the guys out
on the track just having fun, and working on their cars. Provide a good r/c
facility, make it reasonably priced, provide lots of comforts racers like to
have, and make it FUN - the rest will take care of itself! [IMAGE]
CLICK ON PHOTO
TO START
SLIDESHOW
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#2 of 68 by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 16 20:40:11 2010:

[IMAGE] Miami RC Raceway, after sunset.


#3 of 68 by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 16 23:59:22 2010:

(For a little bit of history, check out item:offroad3,173, 
                               and also item:offroad3,287 )


#4 of 68 by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 23 16:03:51 2010:

I went back to the track last night, to see what was going on, and to take a
few more photos. As before, there was a good size crowd, perhaps 30 to 40
people. What was surprising, is that while I remembered a few people from the
week before, at least half the racers were different from the previous week.
This track is very different from most of the tracks I go do. While everyone
else is doing "big-time" racing, this is more of a small country-style track, a
bit out of the way, where different people can come and simply have fun driving
whatever car they own on a really nice track! There's minimal organization -
race against whoever you want, whenever you want, with whatever car you happen
to have. It is *SO* different from the organized places I'm usually at! Track
maintenance is whenever it's needed - the track guys tell people to stop
driving, and go out there with the hoses. The driver's stand is huge and tall,
and gives a great view of the track - but despite that, much of the time the
drivers are right there on the ground, driving their cars around them. There
are no official marshals, but there's lots of people willing to stand out there
and take care of disabled cars. There's also hardly any place on the track
where people get to break their cars - broken parts seem to be non-existent. I
got there around 7pm, and left around 10. The crowd was thinning out by then,
but the track doesn't really close until midnight. The people running the place
see this as fun, not work, and they're getting as much enjoyment out of others
using the track, as the people who come there to ....play! I think "play" is
the right word here! I was asked if I knew of anyone getting rid of any old
carpet - the track would like some more, to use on the jumps. If anyone reading
this is in the Miami area, and has some old carpet to donate, please contact
Baruch at "extremehobbies@bellsouth.net". Here are a sixteen photos from last
night: [IMAGE]
An HDR photo of the track, a little after a beautiful sunset. [IMAGE] [IMAGE]
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The LiPO pack in this car caught on fire, but didn't blow up. Yet. [IMAGE]
The Pits [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE] [IMAGE]
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#5 of 68 by ed (edgaines) on Fri Jul 23 16:07:51 2010:

is that art carbonell in the photo.


#6 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Fri Jul 23 16:08:30 2010:

Yes


#7 of 68 by Mike Myers (Gridder) (mike) on Fri Jul 23 18:36:03 2010:

Art and I worked out a swap, and he got my Mugen MBX5 and a trunk-load
of offroad goodies (several cars, the box of tires in the photo, starter
boxes, engines, and a 1/10 Losi truck thrown in).  After running it a
couple of times, Art decided he still prefers on-road, so he sold the
car to Sean.  Now he's trying to sell the other goodies he got from me,
in this case a box full of 1/8 buggy tires.  We went to Mills Pond a few
times, but it's much easier for us to get to Miami RC Raceway (not to
mention that they always have DELICIOUS food being cooked on the spot!)

As Art put it, he prefers on-road because he likes to be in complete
control of the car, and he doesn't get that feeling from off-road.


#8 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sun Jul 25 01:55:14 2010:

Video!! (Right click, open in new window, resize)
[IMAGE] Miami RC Raceway - Practice Night


#9 of 68 by Chris Kovachevich (mule) on Tue Jul 27 18:12:25 2010:

Looks like a FUN track and for the most part SC friendly!!!  Looks 
like a place I'd like to race sometime - BUT, it's just a BIT far from 
Missouri!!!!!!  Western Missouri at that!!!!!!

I've never understood why some people 'practice' from ground level  - 
makes it 'bout impossible to learn the track since everything looks 
different from the stand.....  BUT, to each his own!!!


#10 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Wed Jul 28 00:00:40 2010:

Chris, it might be because if you have to marshal the car yourself, you
end up going up and down the steps quite a bit....

I dunno.  I know guys with new cars seem to like to do that, but that
makes them less capable when they've got to do it for real, from up on
the stand.  They'll probably learn to do otherwise real fast after they
get hit by one of the errant cars.....


#11 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Thu Jul 29 11:15:11 2010:

Greetings, 
i would like to take this opportunity and thank everyone that has help
on the track.
like i said before this is a community thing. this track is basically
the result of effort of volunteers . 
they are so many names i don't know where to start but, they know who
they are we see them every week there working and sweating hard working
in the track.
also making contribution with money is another way for anyone to help on
the track and also there is another huge group who has contributed with
money helping the track get better for the public.
if possible i would also like to take this opportunity and ask for
anyone that can donate Carpet for the track. 
we are basically looking for big or fairly nice size of carpet.
and other things like wood etc. 
anyway thank you one more time please feel free to call me at
305-265-8511 or you can email me at extremehobbies@bellsouth.net
or you can arrange to drop off the items in the track any day any time .
 thank you all have a wonderful day 


#12 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Sat Aug 7 01:27:45 2010:

Finally opened the account...where are the new pics??


#13 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sat Aug 7 22:38:32 2010:

Carlos, maybe you mean these?
   http://www.sgrid.com/2010/july/miamircraceway/index.html 

Everything is posted except the video from this past Thursday evening. 
I need to buy a cable to connect my camcorder to my laptop.

If the slide show isn't what you meant, which images are you looking for?


#14 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Sat Aug 7 23:15:27 2010:

I guess I meant the video...thought you were taking pictures also.


#15 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sat Aug 7 23:52:05 2010:

Carlos, all the video I've shot so far is posted up above.  They're on
Youtube (where people can find them) and also on Facebook (somewhere, I
have no idea how this works yet...).

Last Thursday's video is still in my camera.  I need a firewire cable
that will connect from my camera to my laptop.  The laptop has the small
firewire connector, and the only cable I've got goes to the much larger
DV connector on a desktop.

The day after I buy a cable, I should have the video posted.  Hopefully
that will be very soon!


#16 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Wed Aug 18 11:29:16 2010:

Greetings, 
im happy to announce we just got new clay.
we are working in the process right know to lay it down and start
packing it.



#17 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Wed Aug 18 11:30:17 2010:

also the loop is down and we have all ready run some test and is working
great.
this week we are going to be running some prep races to test the
equipment so i encourage people to show up and try for testing purposes.


#18 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Wed Aug 18 16:31:31 2010:

Baruch, I will be covering the Great Lakes Challenge race next week;
I'll probably come back to the track with my camera gear in two weeks.

It sounds like things are getting even nicer!!


#19 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Fri Aug 20 10:48:35 2010:

yesterday it was a good day. the track was good and systems are up and
running .
it was not raining. 


#20 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Sat Aug 21 00:50:08 2010:

Today we had another great night. we just finished testing the
equipment. we also ran a couple of races.  we seem to be pretty good
condition for this coming week on the big race. we are hosting a race in
the miami R/C raceway. on august 27 is a friday 


#21 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sat Aug 21 00:54:23 2010:

Nice race flyer!!     :-)


#22 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sat Aug 21 00:56:08 2010:

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#23 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Sat Aug 21 15:01:06 2010:

Can't wait till Friday...I need to hit 28s!


#24 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Sat Aug 21 16:28:13 2010:

I'd love to be there to photograph the event, but I've already got a
commitment to cover the Great Lakes Challenge.   ....next time.


#25 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Sat Aug 21 23:02:10 2010:

i understand .. Mr. mike is ok .maybe next time.. 
today i went to the mils pond park to check out their track and took
over there some fliers with the intention of distributing them . but we
got rain out .
it was a long trip .. know i understand what they mean when talk about
traveling over to mils pond park. 
the track is amazing they for sure know what they are doing.
plus they have lots of clay.. lots of it. and they have been doing this
for a long time.. 

about the flier is basically thanks to two people .. Mr. mike Myers for
the wonderful photo and Carlos for the editing of the image adding the
letters.
well once again im going to check tomorrow coral springs to see if i can
distributed some fliers to them.




#26 of 68 by Rene Infante (infante) on Sun Aug 22 15:13:15 2010:

The reason Mills Pond is a great track is not because of the amount of 
clay they have. Its because of all the work that Bart, Greg and very 
rarely a few volounteers put into it. They open for practice Wednesday 
and race Saturdays yet on any given Thursday or Friday night you find 
those guys maintaining, cleaning and improving the track. 

The colmunation of their work is the track you see today. 

The same can be said for Coral Springs and any other great track.


#27 of 68 by Rene Infante (infante) on Sun Aug 22 15:17:15 2010:

If you guys put the same effort and work into the track that the Mills 
Pond management consistently does in theirs, you can expect similar 
results. I really hope you do as I've had a lot of fun over there a few 
years ago. 


#28 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Sun Aug 22 23:16:09 2010:

I witnessed Baruch and his brother in-law spend all week long at the
track this past week. I wish I can be of more help!..I did enjoy this
weekend seeing the younger kids out there bringing their Slash and
Rustlers. They had even more fun when they got to practice with the
transponders. I got my RC10T2 running...I just need to teach my 1 1/2
year old boy how to drive it...


#29 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Thu Aug 26 10:47:49 2010:

Guys it rain so hard yesterday . the track got flooded. 
we are going to close the track for this week and we have to canceled
the race also.
we are going to re schedule the race for some time next week.
sorry 


#30 of 68 by Ricardo M. Jordao (ricardo) on Thu Aug 26 12:05:15 2010:

Baruch DO NOT i repeat DO NOT re schedule for next week next week the 
region 4 off road regionals will be held at rcis in Jacksonville so i 
think it will be best to re schedule for two weeks from now


#31 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Thu Aug 26 12:16:33 2010:

Ricardo I doubt that is gonna have much impact on the turnout in 
Homestead. I bet the head count from Mills going to the Regionals is 
less then 10 and of that maybe 1 or 2 tops might effect the Homestead 
track.


#32 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Thu Aug 26 14:37:45 2010:

randy you coming down....I say race on the scheduled day....working on
the track never hurt any one


#33 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Thu Aug 26 16:18:28 2010:

No I just started a new job. Not gonna make it that far south for awhile


#34 of 68 by Rene Infante (infante) on Thu Aug 26 16:31:58 2010:

So the track is flooded yesterday and the race is tomorrow. What are you
guys waiting for the water to evaporate? That will never happen, the
track needs to be drained and worked on. No reason to cancel a race
because it rained 3 days earlier. 

I've drained that track many many times and had it ready to race a few
hours later. 


#35 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Thu Aug 26 16:39:42 2010:

I agree 100%.....work is all that is needed...I have see mills pond
underwater on the same day they race and have raced the same day plus
the track grooves up, so just because it rained yesterday doesn't mean
you can't race tomorrow


#36 of 68 by sean kersten (shifter) on Thu Aug 26 18:49:24 2010:

hammond just use the quicker picker upper those should work


#37 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Thu Aug 26 19:29:46 2010:

Or you could do it like OutaControl and use buckets and sponges,


#38 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Thu Aug 26 23:01:12 2010:

Baruch, if the race does get delayed, let me know and I'll try to make
it there with my camera gear.  Don't let this change your decision if
you do want to go ahead as planned - I'll just do the photo work at a
future event.

Whatever you do, I guess you need to let everyone know as soon as
possible, so people make plans accordingly.


#39 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Fri Aug 27 11:14:41 2010:

well those are all great ideas but lazyness comes into play and things
don't get done........sean you coming down.....it's a strapped up layout
lol


if here is a jump in the middle of the straight where do you plan on
starting the mains from?


#40 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Mon Aug 30 17:27:46 2010:

we are going to be schedule the race for the month of September.
either on the 13th or the 17th.
what would be a best day ?


#41 of 68 by Ricardo M. Jordao (ricardo) on Mon Aug 30 17:54:37 2010:

Randy i am going to the regionals and also want to race this one just
for  fun if you can come down and lets run


#42 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Mon Aug 30 18:39:28 2010:

Not me Ricardo. I'm sticking to Pond club races for my Nitro fix. 

Only other event I want to hit is the electric regionals at Springs.


#43 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Mon Aug 30 20:53:07 2010:

come on randy come and race.....don't you want to hit the jump in the
middle of the straight at full wood..........lol


#44 of 68 by Ricardo M. Jordao (ricardo) on Tue Aug 31 16:57:17 2010:

LOL thats a good one peakman

Randy i thought that the electric regionals were going to be at farmers


#45 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Tue Aug 31 17:49:06 2010:

Farmers is no more Ricardo. Word is Springs will be hosting it now.
Better  for us LOL


#46 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Tue Aug 31 19:23:06 2010:

ok so what day do we do the race.


#47 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Tue Aug 31 19:48:15 2010:

september 13th is a monday....the 17th is a friday....you should have
the race on the 18th and open the track early enough for people to setup
and get practice in before starting the races.....most people work
during the week and can't get to the track early during the week....even
with a light turnout there is no way you can get done before
midnight....the question still remains where are you planning on
starting the mains since you have a huge pile of dirt in the middle of
the straight that is doing nothing but wasting clay and at the start of
the mains the cars need to be spread out so there isn't carnage or a
major clean up on isle 3...just my 2 cents but what do I know


#48 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Tue Aug 31 21:14:59 2010:

There's so much hate and I don't understand why... This would be the lay out
for the starting grid...I don't see an issue... [IMAGE] I don't know which
"pile of dirt" you're talking about...


#49 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Tue Aug 31 22:15:09 2010:

has nothing to do with hate....it's common sense....maybe try attending
a track that has a success rate of putting on big races and continues to
get them and see how it is really done instead of having a goat
rodeo....that starting lineup will not work when you have cars full wood
into a sharp turn but I guess you will find out when cars get punted
everywhere.


#50 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Tue Aug 31 23:01:17 2010:

guys i don't understand either.. when it comes time for us to work on
the track many off you don't show up do not donate or add any input in
to the track and when the work is done there is a lot of criticism and
you don't seem to see the big picture .. 
the big picture is after all the struggle and had work and with NO MONEY
we and first off all NO experience we have been able to restore the
track. maybe it does not meet allot of the requirements of many
professional drivers but it was put together by a bunch of people that
does not know anything about it and WANT to fixed the track and start
something. at least we are trying NOT like other people they dont help
and only complaint.. PLEASE we DO NOT KNOW what we are doing and WE DO
NOT HAVE MONEY we are working with what we have ..  .............. 


#51 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Tue Aug 31 23:04:33 2010:

the starting grid shown in the picture by Carlos it was the best idea we
came out with at the time.. 
we are in a working progress and things are not set in stone, but they
required time and work.. 
like i said at least we have the track back and we are trying .. 
i really appreciate the hard work everyone has donated time and money to
the track.. 
we are still in working progress. we are learning as we go along.



#52 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Wed Sep 1 00:32:13 2010:

I've got a video that is "almost" done, which will show how well the
track works with several cars, including when it's all at night under
the lights.  Nobody who was driving out there at the time realized how
bad the track was, and how unhappy they were supposed to be.  Good thing
they didn't know, as then they might have reminded themselves that they
weren't really having any fun at all.

Then too, there's that saying "Anything is easy to do, when you're not
the one who has to do it."


It might come as a shock to some people, but there are a whole lot of
people who would rather race on a track like this, than the much better
track a few miles up North.  For someone who's an experienced racer, a
more complicated track designed for "real" competition is better, but
for a lot of people just starting out, MiamiRC is a far better place to
learn the basics while having....   dare I say it???    ....fun!


#53 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Wed Sep 1 06:48:33 2010:

That's fine Mike but when you want to hold a RACE and attract a bigger 
group of people something as simple as a starting area has to be 
considered. 

Baruch the layout you have in mind works fine with electric cars that 
have no problem sitting still. It dangerous with Nitro cars. Remember, 
pit men are holding onto these 8lb fire breathing cars and have to be 
able to get out of the way. Staggerd starts dont work with Nitro.

No complaining. Just giving an explanation why its a bad idea. 


#54 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Wed Sep 1 13:26:45 2010:

Thank you Randy .. for the Imput. any ideas.. of other ares. besides
removing the jump in the back.?


#55 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Wed Sep 1 14:50:06 2010:

will the track be open this week?


#56 of 68 by David Russell (juiced50) on Wed Sep 1 16:46:03 2010:

where is the loop located in the picture?


#57 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Wed Sep 1 17:02:07 2010:

Right before the starting grid that I drew. The only thing I can think
of is to move it to the back straight but not sure if there is enough
line to do so. This would allow the pit man to be off the track. 


#58 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Wed Sep 1 17:25:22 2010:

the loop can stay where it is...it doesn't have to be on the
straight....when the cars cross the line that will start the race


#59 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Wed Sep 1 17:59:50 2010:

It's too far back for me to remember correctly, but the photos I took of
the track layout back when we held the nationals there should still be
online.  Mickey came up with a layout that satisfied everyone, as I
recall.  Maybe I can find those later tonight and post a few of them. 
I'll look around...


#60 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Wed Sep 1 18:27:23 2010:

the loop is right where Carlos just mention. 
so... were can we start the races... ?


#61 of 68 by Randy Deppen (gasman) on Wed Sep 1 19:41:58 2010:

Baruch I see a crossover jump. Please tell me that its not a double 
cross?? IE demolition derby aerial event about to happen? 


#62 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Wed Sep 1 20:11:47 2010:

randy it's a crossover with no landing either and pretty much full
punched until you get to the corner but not a double and yes it's
dangerous, especially when you will have turn marshall's running around
in that area......but hey I think the track has roar insurance



you can start the races anywhere on the track and as soon as the cars
cross the line the software will start recording laps


#63 of 68 by Mike Myers (mike) on Wed Sep 1 21:40:12 2010:

I'll work at getting the video posted shortly; it will show things a lot
better than trying to imagine them from the photos....


#64 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Wed Sep 1 22:32:18 2010:

will the track be open tomorrow for practice?


#65 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Wed Sep 1 23:40:56 2010:

if the weather permits yes.. 


#66 of 68 by Baruch Lorio (bc28001) on Thu Sep 2 18:57:17 2010:

we just came from the track. and is flooded.
the day started nice but around 4:30 started raining .hard. making lots
of poodles. we are not going to open cause still raining right know it
has not stop .. 


#67 of 68 by Carlos Jimenez (cjimenez) on Fri Sep 3 02:31:17 2010:

Will be there tomorrow to drain it out! I wanna run tomorrow!


#68 of 68 by gh (peakman) on Fri Sep 3 14:42:17 2010:

will the track be dry enough to open tonight?


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