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Thread: The Firearm Gallery!

  1. #11
    Bob Malphurs
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekliu View Post
    Are Saiga guns that much better that it's worth converting one vs. just buying an AK?
    This is one of those things were you can ask a 100 peoples opinions and get that many answers! Lots and lots of info on the net!

    The thing that appeals to me is the Saiga is a way to get true Russian made Ak-47 (or AK-74) type rifle. Another thing is price. For under $600 after conversion I can have a brand new AK-47.

    In my price range there's other Ak's to be had that don't need to be converted. These are usually AK variants from other countries that are in some cases very good quality rifles if you know what to look for. Also a lot of low quality ones as well! And many of these are not new but built from de-milled issued (used) surplus parts kits. When these rifles are "de-milled" the receivers are destroyed and in some cases the barrels as well and are replaced with US made parts. So now you have receivers and barrels made in differents factories so there's now room for bad fitting.

    In a firearm of this type new is better than used (my opinion).

    So for me, my first choice is the Russian Saiga. Second would be a Bulgarian made AK from Atlantic Firearms. They have some that are made fron non-issued parts kits.
    Last edited by Bob Malphurs; 11-10-2011 at 02:02 PM.

  2. #12
    Just curious - the "receivers" are destroyed because they were the fully-automatic components?
    If so, why would the barrels also be destroyed?

    I used to wonder why so many companies seemed to be selling surplus parts for these weapons. Do the parts wear that fast, or is it to allow people to build up a gun that starts out as "most of" a weapon that was designed to be issued to the soldiers in some foreign country? That doesn't make sense though, as why would the foreign country be getting rid of the weapons then, unless they were worn out, and if they were worn out, why would anyone want one?

    If you wanted, could you (or anyone) build up a complete gun by purchasing American made replacement parts?

    Lastly, I assume you can buy parts with no real paperwork involved. If you buy more than a certain number of parts, does it become "buying a gun", which means you are back to all the rules and regulations for that? ....or is it only certain parts that are controlled that way?

    (Sorry for what are probably very basic questions - I just don't know very much about this.)

  3. #13
    ekliu
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    Mike,

    Basically the receiver is the "gun" and that's what all the paperwork is for. Everything else is just parts, which you can buy (except for machine gun parts) without any sort of paperwork. If you have the proper machining skills, you can make your own receivers (for your own personal use) and there is no paperwork required.

  4. #14
    ekliu
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    Bob,

    That does sound pretty cost effective. I have heard about Arsenal AKs as being the best, and they are using Saiga guns. And the DIY way seems to save a lot of money vs. buying the Arsenal version.

    At that price I'd also have to consider the Ruger Mini 14 tactical model instead. $560 with the side folding stock and made in the USA. Only downside is that it looks somewhat hideous.

  5. #15
    Bob Malphurs
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    .Mike...Maybe we need to move this to it's own thread....Assault Rifles...?

    I would say your right....the receivers were probably full auto ones and like ekliu said the receiver is the part that would need the paperwork through an FFL. In fact you can purchase a "Blank" receiver without any paper work. These come already stamped with all the cutouts but flat, not formed. They would have to be folded and heat-treated. The jig for folding these can be bought as well!

    The barrels I don't know why. Maybe wore out or perhaps the laws of the origin country prohibits it.

    There are companies like Arsenal, Century, etc. that buy these rifles completely intact in bulk, issued and non-issued (the semi-auto versions), and do the necessary modifications to make them 922R compliant before they can be re-sold. 922R is the US law saying they have to have a certain number of US made parts.

    And yes...you could buy all the US made parts and build your own or buy a complete US made variant!
    Last edited by Bob Malphurs; 11-11-2011 at 11:48 AM.

  6. #16
    Bob Malphurs
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekliu View Post
    Bob,

    That does sound pretty cost effective. I have heard about Arsenal AKs as being the best, and they are using Saiga guns. And the DIY way seems to save a lot of money vs. buying the Arsenal version.

    At that price I'd also have to consider the Ruger Mini 14 tactical model instead. $560 with the side folding stock and made in the USA. Only downside is that it looks somewhat hideous.
    Your right....Arsenal's are great Saiga conversions! And they have some really nice Bulgarians also!

    The Ruger Mini-14's and Mini-30's are excellent rifles! Based on the M1 Garrand and tuff as nails! Like an AK will run in any condition. The Mini-14 is strickly chambered in .223 and not the higher pressure 5.56 rounds. Mini-30 chambered for 7.62x39. Lots of after market goodies for the Mini-14 and some for the Mini-30.

  7. #17
    ekliu
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    Perhaps Mini sales will take off now due to Bill Ruger being dead (politics) and nostalgia for the 80s (A-Team). Seems like the Mini guns are much more reliable than your typical AR.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Malphurs View Post
    .Mike...Maybe we need to move this to it's own thread....Assault Rifles...?
    Can I add you to the list of moderators? Javier is busy overseas, and we need someone to join with Chuck in overseeing this and doing that sort of thing. Chuck is very busy with his new home. Do you have the time?

  9. #19
    Hummm, not much posting going on here! Has anyone picked up anything new? I did...a Ruger Blackhawk in 44mag and a Remington 700 Varmint Special with a Unertl Ultra Varmint scope...

    With white grips...


    With Herrett grips...


    Remington...




  10. #20
    Notice the Losi allen drivers on my peg board, LOL. They work well for reloading equipment!

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